Trading Lesson: Riding a Trend Is Like Riding a Bronco

09/15/2017 2:51 am EST


Dave Landry

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You’ll catch more trends with super wide stops but it’s going to hurt more when the trend doesn’t resume. Riding a trend is like riding a bucking bronco, asserts Dave Landry, He’s Founder and President of More Trading Lessons every Friday.

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Longer-term trading is where the money is but unfortunately so is the excessive risk. Shorter-term trading is much less risky but, you don’t make enough, especially since big adverse moves can still occur. The great thing about trading is that it doesn’t always have to be a mutually exclusive decision.

You can trade for both short-term and longer-term gains. Let’s explore how to do this further with a focus on the magic of the trailing stop.

“I have to say that all of the ideas I've added from your presentations have been very very powerful. The one idea I'm trying to hone in on better is the one of stopmanagement on the second loaf. I bet you have older presentations on this subject but I haven't found them yet. Thus far I am using about a 36% stop distance while doing the “Keep the change” methodology. Thanks a million for these great ideas and please don't do risky things out there! (Like run into unlighted rigs) —Steve Kusuba


The secret sauce

I was once on a project where my job was to provide trades. This was humbling because the lineup read like a “who’s who” of the trading world including fund managers of millions and even billions of dollars, traders, and signal providers, most of whom used complex arbitrage strategies and/or derivatives. How could I, with my little ole simple trend following, compete with these brainiacs? Surprisingly, I did just fine.

A derivative/arbitrage fund manager was in charge of tracking the trades. In one meeting he pointed out that it was “cool the way Dave transitioned his swing trades to longer-term trades by taking partial profits and then allowing the trailing stop to widen.” Like Pinocchio is a bad motivational speaker, I thought everyone knew that. This reaffirmed the fact that I did have something special.

The trading world can be a little lonely and awfully humbling at times even though no one has the answers, you often wonder if you’re doing the right thing.

Anyway, it reaffirmed that the secret sauce was keeping risks in check but still allowing for the occasional home run. And, the way you did that was to go in for a swing trade but stick around longer-term via a gradually widening trailing stop.

Making the transition to a longer-term trade

First, no one knows exactly where a market is headed-not you, not me, and not the guy behind the tree.

Determining a market’s longer-term direction is even tougher. As my disclaimer (stolen from Greg Morris) reads: “All predictions are about the future, and a lot of stuff can happen between now and then.”

The longer your forecast, the less accurate it will be. Idiots who come out with books every few years predicting incredible prosperity (usually just before a major bear market) or doom and gloom (usually right before a major bull market) deserve a big wedgie, maybe even an atomic one. It does seem to sell books though.

It’s safe to say that you can’t predict trends very far, but you can follow them forever. Write that down. Assuming that you lock in a swing trade profit and your stop on the remainder has been bumped to break even, then you’re in a wonderful place.

Worst case, barring overnight gaps, you profit overall on the trade and in the best case, you hit a home run on the remainder.

Let’s back up for a minute and look at the intended length of a trade. As a general statement, a market can only move so far over a given period of time. The further out you go, the wider your stop will have to be to accommodate a market’s zigs and zags.

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The volatility of the instrument is also important. The more volatile a stock the wider the stop will have to be so that you don’t get stopped out on noise alone.

There’s a popular methodology that says we should all use a fixed percentage stop on all stocks. Anyway, if your stop is within the normal volatility you will get stopped out on noise alone-one of the few things I can guarantee.

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It’s safe to say that both time in the trade and the volatility of the underlying instrument must be taken into consideration when setting stops. So, our stops will have to widen as we make the transition to a longer-term trade, due to an increased time held and likely an increase in volatility.

In fact, if you get your timing just right, the stock not only increases in value but it does so quickly. This causes an increase in volatility. Notice in the chart below that the volatility sharply increased as price moved favorably.

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Answer the question

Back to Steve’s question: First, a 36% trailing stop seems a little extreme, but in some cases that’s what the position might call for. Case in point: CNX,  a stock we are long (when this column was first published--see my Core Trading Service Delayed) originally had a 34% stop. That’s what it called for since it easily bounced around 20% and even 30% over the short-term. If you look at the chart you’ll see that even at 34%, it still looked pretty close to where the price was. Again though, you can’t use a fixed percentage on all trades.

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Using a current example from the open portfolio, notice that KEM started out with 1.55 points/22%  as the trailing stop, and that stop has since widened to 7.2 points/29%. 

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Can you trade for longer-term gains without excessive risk? Yes! You can..

Now, Steve’s looking for tips and tricks on how to gradually widen the stop. He alluded to playing the “keep the change” game. The reason I call it a game is because I have found that it’s easier to implement a plan if you see it as a game. A game is something that’s fun—and seriously, isn’t catching a trend fun?

So how do you play “keep the change?” That’s easy! Do nothing! Suppose a stock goes up a few cents or even slightly more than a few cents on a higher price stock. Just leave the stop where it is. You have now effectively widened the stop-not by much, but it can add up over time.

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Gaining ground with trailing stops

You have to be careful not to mentally monetize your open profits. You can’t look at them and say, “Oh, that’s enough for a house payment” or “I could pay off a credit card with that.” The moment you do is the moment that you’ll likely cut your profits short. And, if you don’t take the profit, you’ll have regret if the stock begins to retrace shortly thereafter.

The point is, how you view things is vitally important from a psychological standpoint.

I work hard not to mentally monetize profits but I do tend to view my trailing stop as the amount that I will get paid when, not if, I’m eventually stopped out. Along those lines, I like to see stop tightening as “gaining ground.” Suppose I’m fortunate enough to have a 3 point favorable move then I might only tighten my stop 2 points. This way, I’ve gained ground, an additional $2 if (when!) stopped out, and I have effectively opened up the stop by 1 point. This is illustrated below.

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​So, to answer the question, you let the stop loosen automatically by playing keep the change or when blessed with a favorable move you tighten by a less proportional amount.

How much is enough?

The next obvious question becomes how wide should you let the stop become? Ideally, you want it wide enough to ride out normal (and healthy!) corrections but not so wide that it would way beyond a bona fide reversal. Sometimes, below the prior pullback or base becomes a good goal to shoot for. The litmus test for me is when I look at the portfolio and think “oh geez,” it’s going to suck if that stop gets hit. I know, I said don’t mentally monetize but when it gets wide enough to hurt it’s probably wide enough.

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As usual, in trading, there’s always a tradeoff. Very wide stops could keep you in a longer-term trend that just has one last shake out. If you went through my trading service archives, you’d see that we’ve ridden some decent trends for a long long time but some trends went on much longer after hitting the trailing stop.

An even wider stop would have kept you in those trends. There’s the dilemma.  You will catch many more trends with super wide stops but it’s going to hurt more when the trend doesn't resume. Covel nailed it when he equated riding a trend to riding a bucking bronco.​​

In summary

The accuracy in short-term trading is higher and it’s generally less risky but, unfortunately, you don’t make enough to survive the inevitable large adverse moves. Longer-term trading is where the money is but it’s less accurate and way too risky. The good news is that it doesn’t have to be a mutually exclusive decision. You can have your cake and eat it too.

Trade for short-term gains, but allow the trailing stop to gradually widen out to ride a longer-term trend. 
May the trend be with you!

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